Dear Vaccine Pushers: I Don’t Vaccinate and You Can’t Make Me

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Okay, the title is childish.  I know.

It’s just that every time a few people catch a simple disease (like measles or pertussis) — from which the vast, vast majority recover with no issues — we have to start the media circus.  And the media uses the opportunity to shame, bash, and belittle parents who don’t vaccinate.  Those parents then go in and try to be reasonable, try to explain their position, and basically defend themselves.  They’re heaped on by a majority who think they are crazy, tin-foil-hat-wearing loons (yes, that word was used recently) who shouldn’t have a choice in the matter…and maybe shouldn’t even have children at all.

I’m over it.

I’m not going to defend myself against the bullies.  I’m not going to throw facts and statistics at you, showing how reasonable my position actually is.  (My position, by the way, is that every parent should have the right to choose if they want to vaccinate or not.  If you want to, that’s fine.)  I’m not going to try to mount an actual logical argument.  Because these people are bullies.  They are not interested in facts.  They are not interested in logic.  They are only interested in forcing people to accept their will.

So here you go, vaccine-pushers: I don’t vaccinate, and you can’t make me.

Herd Immunity: Who Cares

The biggest reason people want me, and everyone, to vaccinate is herd immunity.  They claim that unless 95% or greater of the population is vaccinated, that we all risk these diseases beginning to circulate again wildly — and that the elderly, infants, and immunocompromised will be at serious risk.

Let’s ignore that:

  • Most of the adult population isn’t up to date on boosters and/or never received certain vaccines in the first place
  • Over 95% of children ARE up to date on their vaccines
  • We’ve had major advances in medical science that allow us to treat diseases differently so they’re NOT deadly anymore

But, sure, ignoring all that.  Oh no!  We might have an uncomfortable week!  (And yeah — if your child is immunocompromised, I understand that you want to take extra precautions.  I know that nothing in life is simple for you and I’m not trying to make light of that.)

Bottom line, though?  I make the decisions that are right for my child.  do.  With no input from you or anyone else, unless I choose to consult them.  And I’m not asking right now.  I’m not willing to put my children at risk on the tiny chance that it might someday prevent another child from getting a disease (that most likely won’t harm him or her).

No, I don’t think it’s selfish to say that.  In fact, I think it’s selfish for people to ask me to vaccinate when I’ve made a decision not to.  That’s right — you’re being selfish to try to force your will onto me.  Vaccines are not without risk.  In fact, there are thousands of reports of children who have died or been permanently damaged by vaccines.  But vaccine pushers are going to tell me that that doesn’t really happen that often, and it doesn’t really matter, that it’s “worth it” to “save” some other children.  (Never mind that vaccine reactions are much more common than most people know, and that severe complications from the disease themselves are quite rare….)

I’m sorry, but having my own child dead or damaged isn’t worth it to me, to possibly save another child from an uncomfortable week.  Not by a long shot.  

I will not be bullied into vaccinating.  I won’t place my child at risk to possibly help someone else’s child.  I.will.not.  And don’t ask me to, either.  You don’t have that right.

Responsibility to Society

Some of you say, okay, fine — don’t vaccinate.  But then don’t ever come out in public.  Don’t go to libraries, to public schools, to anywhere that your child might “infect” someone else.

I say, do you know how silly that is?

First, unvaccinated children are not disease carriers.  Under normal circumstances, they’re as likely as anyone else to catch something.  Most of what they’re likely to catch, we don’t vaccinate for anyway.  The norovirus (stomach flu) that’s been going around this year is truly nasty…but we don’t vaccinate for it.  I don’t see this as being any worse or different than measles.  Yet if my family inadvertently gave it to someone else, they would just say “It happens.”  But if my family somehow gave someone measles?  They might flip out.

It’s not different, people.  These illnesses are pretty equally bad.  And pretty equally “fine,” in the sense that you will recover with no lasting damage.  

“They” say that people like me aren’t scared enough about these diseases, that we don’t really remember what they are like.  I say, the opposite side is too scared.  Good job, media!  They’ve made people think that if you get polio, you will end up paralyzed and in need of an iron lung (not even remotely close), that if you get mumps you will end up sterile (almost no chance), that if you get measles you will go blind (this wasn’t even reported as a complication in any case in the last 30+ years in the U.S.).

Our responsibility to society is simple: don’t go out in public if you are sick.

Yeah!  That’s it! 

There’s no reason to keep healthy people out of the public sphere just because they haven’t had a vaccine.  It’s ridiculous.  It’s paranoid.  It’s bordering on obsession and insanity.  And I’m honestly not blaming most who think this — it goes back to the media.  They’ve done a great job of scaring people into vaccinating, and against those who choose not to.

I Don’t Care About Jenny McCarthy

Just a few more things.  If you honestly are curious about why I don’t vaccinate, I’d be happy to tell you.  And if you leave the conversation saying, “Thanks for sharing, I’m still vaccinating my children,” then that’s just fine with me.

But if you want to know why I do what I do, do not say any of these things:

  • “You’re putting your kids at risk.”
  • “You don’t really love your kids.”
  • “You’re just doing this because Jenny McCarthy said vaccines were bad.”
  • “All the science is conclusive, vaccines are safe and effective.”
  • “The only issue was that paper from that Wakefield guy and it was retracted and debunked.”
  • “Everyone who actually understands science believes in vaccines.”

These statements are untrue and infuriating.  I don’t care a bit about what Jenny McCarthy does and know very little about her personal beliefs surrounding vaccines.  I’m well-educated and capable of understanding science and thinking for myself (as are many, many others, including several with medical degrees who think the way I do).  I certainly love my kids and want what is best for them, and would never knowingly put them at risk.

Honestly, when people say these things, the conversation is over.  Anyone who says them is not interested in learning any information that isn’t available in the mainstream media.  They’re not interested in understanding why people think differently than they do.  They only want to bully.

And you know, I believe in people.  I believe that whether parents vaccinate or don’t, that they are capable of making the choice for themselves.  I believe they are smart enough to understand the information that’s out there.  I believe they love their children and want what is best for them.  I have no problems with people who say “Vaccinating works for us.”

It’s the pushers.  The pushers who tell me I don’t get it.  The pushers who will comment on this post, patting me on the head for my “attempt” at “understanding” but who irritatingly, condescendingly, explain to me why I just don’t have the intelligence or scientific background to make a conscious choice for myself.  Who tell me that I ought not to have a choice.

This post was written for those people.  You want to be condescending and ignore the actual evidence I share?  Fine.  But understand this: I don’t vaccinate, and you can’t make me.

How do you feel about the vaccine debate and parents who don’t vaccinate?

Comments

    • malka miller says

      Please remember that vaccination was a disease prevention practice that never worked very well and did not work until better sanitation, hygiene, nutrition, and quarantine were part of the total public health picture.

  1. Amanda says

    As a nurse, I am an “on the fence” vaccine pusher. However, I fully, 100% support, agree with, and understand the reasons behind not vaccinating.

    Just as I wouldn’t dare go up to a mom in mcdonalds and give her a list of reasons why she shouldn’t feed her child that nutritionally devoid junk, I don’t have a right to tell ANYONE how to raise a child.

    I vaccinated my children because I felt it was the right thing to do…given another chance, I’m not sure I would do it again though. I will certainly do more research before I vaccinate again.

    Keep standing uo for your right to raise your children, Katie (not that you need or want my permission, lol!). We need more people like you!

  2. says

    I LOVE this article! Thank you! You just summed up every statement I find myself repeating ad nauseum….
    *no, my unvaccinated child cannot spread any disease he or she has not been exposed to.
    *yes, your vaccinated child CAN spread disease from the vaccination or from everyday exposure
    *no, I’m not uneducated, in fact, this is my field of expertise
    *I happen to think Jenny McCarthy is funny as all get out, but I stopped vaccinating before her kid was even vaccine injured. She was never a part of my thought process on the issue.
    * and don’t even get me started on the Wakefield thing. I was actually paying attention to the issue when Wakefield was publishing, and you can’t debunk a statement he DIDN’T MAKE! (that one really annoys me)
    *I really don’t give a rat’s patootie about autism (even though I have a vaccine injured ASD son)… I am FAR more concerned with the rise in severe auto immune disorders in my patient population, including eczema, asthma, cancers, juvenile diabetes, juvenile rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, the sharp rise in anaphylactic allergies, etc. (Funny how they are only prepared to “debunk” the autism “thing” and have no idea what I’m talking about in regards to the rest…)

    • J. Stephens says

      @Elisabeth Halligan–I was just talking to our ped the other day, saying I was concerned vaccines played a part in my oldest son’s eczema, asthma, and overall allergy to the WORLD ( he was vaxed until I started researching them). He never had a problem until his one year vaccines and then all of a sudden he was allergic to EVERYTHING. My ped who is pro-vaccine, but also supportive of our decision, tried to tell me there were no connections and dr’s in fact can not diagnose any allergies until the age of two+. (So apparently my son breaking out in hives and having his face/throat/lips swell when in contact with about 5+ different things is not an allergy.. ?) Do you have any more info on this? I would LOVE to read up on studies of the auto-immune effects from vaccines.
      Great article though, and great, well-put response.

    • Tamra says

      YES!!! ‘the autism thing’……I believe that ‘big pharma’ LOVES the red herring ‘autism thing’…..because they can use it to distract.

  3. Cat says

    An uncomfortable week?
    It’s statements like that that make me feel like people who don’t vaccinate don’t have a good grasp on any kind of medical science. Measles, just to take one example, is a highly contagious illness. It can, and frequently does, lead to deafness, encephalitis, and even death. 1 measles patient in every 1,000 will get encephalitis (swelling of the brain). One to three cases in every 1,000 in the United States leads to death. Mumps, to give another example, can lead to sterility in men and miscarriage in pregnant women, as well as encephalitis. Rubella can cause encephalitis as well, as well as birth defects if contracted by a pregnant women.
    How can you say it’s not selfish to rely on other people’s immunizations to protect your child? Your choice not to vaccinate will only work if other people do vaccinate. So your expectation is that other people’s children will take the (extremely low) risk of an adverse post-vaccine event so that yours don’t have to.
    I will not judge any parenting decision made by someone else for their kid…except when it puts my kids directly at risk. My four-month-old is too young to be vaccinated and your decision could have a direct impact on her and other infants, the elderly, and the immunocompromised. It’s your choice to put your own child at risk — but I have a problem with you putting my child at risk.

    • says

      “[Measles] can, and frequently does, lead to deafness, encephalitis, and even death.”
      Frequently — no. There have been NO reported cases of deafness from measles infection in the U.S. in the last 40 years (despite thousands of cases). Encephalitis occurs approximately 1 in 1000, and is also a side effect of the MMR vaccine. About 2 in 1000 died in the 80s, but no people have died (in over 1000 cases) since year 2000.

      “1 measles patient in every 1,000 will get encephalitis (swelling of the brain).”
      Possibly, but it’s also a side effect of the MMR.

      “One to three cases in every 1,000 in the United States leads to death.”
      That was true in the 80s, but there have been no recorded deaths in over 1000 cases since year 2000.

      “Mumps, to give another example, can lead to sterility in men and miscarriage in pregnant women, as well as encephalitis.”
      Mumps cannot lead to sterility in pre-pubescent males. In post-pubescent, they must be affected in the testicles (rare) and it must be BOTH sides (even more rare) and even then, something like 25% of these cases (maybe 1 in 10,000 total cases in post-pubescent males) will actually lead to sterility. This chance is so microscopic it’s hardly worth mentioning. Same is true of miscarriage in pregnant women.

      “Rubella can cause encephalitis as well, as well as birth defects if contracted by a pregnant women.”
      Rubella is one of the very mildest childhood diseases. I believe my children have had it. It causes low fever and rash. It’s actually milder than roseola, which children commonly get and no one worries about. And yes, it can be dangerous to pregnant women — but if they catch it during childhood, they’re immune, and we could then make an argument for vaccinating adult women who hope to become pregnant, if they are worried.

      “Your choice not to vaccinate will only work if other people do vaccinate.”
      No. Because unlike you, I don’t actually fear these diseases. I’m not concerned if they catch them. I’m not relying on you, or anyone, to protect my kids.

      “…your decision could have a direct impact on her and other infants, the elderly, and the immunocompromised. ”
      Then you should take steps to protect these people other ways. Limit time in public, wear a mask, breastfeed, use immune-boosting supplements, etc. That is how I protected all my children when they were very young. Your argument supposes that vaccination is the *only* way to protect people, which is silly and false. Besides, it’s quite dangerous and selfish to expect everyone around you to take steps to protect your children. You should control what you can and let the rest go. That is the only safe way to handle this.

      And no, I will not make a decision I feel is wrong for my children on the teeny, tiny chance it might one day protect someone else. I won’t.

      • Cat says

        “There have been NO reported cases of deafness from measles infection in the U.S. in the last 40 years (despite thousands of cases).”
        Can you cite this? I wasn’t able to find this statistic.

        “Encephalitis occurs approximately 1 in 1000, and is also a side effect of the MMR vaccine.”
        More recent data is hard to find, but from 1955 to 1963 in the US, there were 28 cases and 8 deaths from post-vaccine encephalitis. Please note that post-vaccine encephalitis is not necessarily caused by vaccines; it’s just encephalitis that happens after a vaccine and has no other known cause. This is out of hundreds of millions of vaccines given during the time frame, many of which were smallpox vaccines (which was known to be dangerous, though less dangerous than smallpox, and is no longer given. Because we have, thankfully, eradicated smallpox. Through the use of vaccines).

        “About 2 in 1000 died in the 80s, but no people have died (in over 1000 cases) since year 2000.”
        The death rate from measles is known to be between 1 and 3 in 1,000.
        In 1989-1991 there was a spike in measles cases due to a decrease in vaccinations: 55,622 cases, 45% of which were in kids younger than 5, and 123 deaths (this is a mortality rate of 2.2 in 1,000). I’m not sure if you’ve studied statistics, but if you take the measles death rate to be 2 in 1000 (it’s generally accepted as being 1 to 3 in 1,000), 0 people dying in a thousand case has a 13% chance of occurring. It means that those 1,000 people got lucky.

        “Mumps cannot lead to sterility in pre-pubescent males. In post-pubescent, they must be affected in the testicles (rare) and it must be BOTH sides (even more rare) and even then, something like 25% of these cases (maybe 1 in 10,000 total cases in post-pubescent males) will actually lead to sterility. This chance is so microscopic it’s hardly worth mentioning. Same is true of miscarriage in pregnant women.”
        Orchitis occurs in 38% of post-pubescent males who get mumps and impaired fertility in 13%. You are correct that complete sterility is rare.
        The side effect rates of the vaccine-related adverse events you are afraid of are in most cases under one in a million. 1 in 10,000 is a hundred times more common. Which one is worth mentioning?

        “Rubella is one of the very mildest childhood diseases.”
        If you get rubella as a teenager, it’s quite common (70% of cases) to get disabling arthritis for more than a month. 1 in 12,000 people who get rubella will die. The chances of death from the MMR vaccine, by contrast, are on the order of one in millions.

        “Because unlike you, I don’t actually fear these diseases. I’m not concerned if they catch them. I’m not relying on you, or anyone, to protect my kids.”
        It’s good not to live in fear. The reason you don’t have to fear these diseases is that we’ve reduced their incidence through vaccination. If more people continue to listen to arguments like yours, the disease rates will begin to climb, as they have already, and you will no longer be able to be so sure your kids are safe.

        • Tree says

          That was amazing. You were clear and orderly, sticking to the facts and showing the rates in such a way that really closes the door on this. If someone handed a parent two boxes and said one contains a 1 in 12,000 chance of death and the other contained a 1 in 1,000,000 chance of death, that parent would open up a box to find a vaccine. What parent would open up the rubella and roll the dice when a vaccine is ten thousand times safer?

        • adriana says

          My grandmother had 10…TEN children all of which had the measles as children. My dad is 1 of 6, all them had the measles. My grandmother is 1 of 13, ALL of them had the measles. Guess how many of them dies…ZERO. Out of 29 people that I am directly related to, NONE died and NONE had any complications. My dad and a few of my uncles also had the mumps…obviously my dad isn’t sterile since I’m here refuting your basic lack of understanding of human biology and infectious diseases.

        • Sarah says

          Another bully who doesn’t want to hear any other information besides what is provided in the media. Did you not read the article? She already called you out on everything you just said.

        • Lisa says

          “The death rate from measles is known to be between 1 and 3 in 1,000.
          In 1989-1991 there was a spike in measles cases due to a decrease in vaccinations: 55,622 cases, 45% of which were in kids younger than 5, and 123 deaths (this is a mortality rate of 2.2 in 1,000). I’m not sure if you’ve studied statistics, but if you take the measles death rate to be 2 in 1000 (it’s generally accepted as being 1 to 3 in 1,000), 0 people dying in a thousand case has a 13% chance of occurring. It means that those 1,000 people got lucky. ”

          No they didn’t get lucky. You don’t take an outlier and use that to base all your statistics on. Those years had an abnormally high death rate and a lot of the people who died had HIV, including the children. The real number is 1 in 10,000 or possibly even as low as 1 in 100,000. Taking a period that is far higher than the usual numbers and using that number to try to terrify people is just so scientific.

          • says

            How do you claim that the death rate improved when it was *lower* in pre-vaccination days? And how do you claim the death rate is 3 in 1000 when it clearly isn’t in current large European outbreaks? Statistical models mean nothing when the real-world experience is different….

        • sherah says

          If you are really interested in how Measles manifests in a modern culture with larger pockets of unvaccinated people than the U.S., take a look at the data coming out of the Netherlands. They have large populations of ultra-religious people who do not vaccinate. Measles makes the rounds a little less than once a decade and the data is accessible and unbiased. BTW, England had over 1000 people get Measles this past year. One man died from it, but he had just left rehab and was severely underweight.

    • Susan says

      Cat, when you are vaxxed with live viruses, you are actually the carrier spreading the disease for varying lengths of time…… Look into this. The unvaccinated folks are the least ‘dangerous’ around….. Once you figure out more how the immune system works, you look at things differently, you understand things differently. It’s just a matter of “where you’re at” on learning about health. The pharma industry isn’t about health, it’s about profits. The medical establishment is well-meaning, but trained by a system controlled by pharma. It’s really that simple. It’s “too easy” to just not do research and believe CNN when their specialist tells you to get vaxxed or when they cite some industry-controlled ‘stats” to trick you into thinking they have been studied. It takes actual thinking for yourself and determination to get to the truth…

      • Cat says

        It is true that when you receive a vaccination, you shed the virus for a period of time. If you were further along on your journey learning about health, you might have encountered the term “attenuated vaccine,” which indicates that the version of the living microbe has weakened in the lab so it can’t cause disease. The exception to this is the varicella vaccine; after receiving that vaccine, you should avoid immunocompromised people for six weeks.

        Do you think that the “natural medical” industry is not out for profit? Joseph Mercola is rolling in cash from the sale of his Melatonin Sleep Support Spray and Organic Sea Buckthorn Anti-Aging Serum. Russell L. Blaycock sells supplements called “Brain Repair Formula” that he suggests can treat and prevent Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, and cancer. How much has Neil Z. Miller made from the sale of his books?

        It does take thinking for yourself and determination to get to the truth. There are a lot of people pitching a lot of nonsense out there. At least we’re agreed on that point.

        • says

          And no doctor ever makes any money or kickback from a prescription? I personally know of surgeons who recommend surgery for many ailments because surgery is big money. I could care less how much money someone is making if they are truly helping people! Or at least not harming them. Did you know that medical error is high on the leading causes of death for this country?

          • Cat says

            By no means am I suggesting that the system we have is perfect. I’m suggesting that we should look critically at pharmaceutical companies AND people selling natural (or “natural”) remedies. Fraudster Kevin Trudeau, recently sentenced to ten years in prison, was not out to help people. Or even worried about harming them. He was out to make a buck. There are bad eggs on both sides.

          • kelli says

            No one is selling natural remedies as most people can make these at home for nothing. Who said vaccine questioning had anything to do with natural remedies anyways.

        • Mary moo says

          Where are the studies that IF you generate antibodies provoked by the vaccine that these antibodies actually work against disease? Why are we seeing disease instanced in vaccinated populations (i.e. mumps outbreak in Ohio among vaccinated students??)

    • adriana says

      Thank you for writing this. I couldn’t agree more with your points. It really is useless to argue with people who choose not to reason or who are incapable of questioning what they THINK they know. They don’t know the countless hours we spend reading everything from medical journals to even medical textbooks. They don’t realize how much sleep we have lost trying to decide before the arrival of our precious child what do. They don’t realize that we are highly educated individuals and perhaps not in the field of science but our professions allow us to think critically, at least for me that is true, I’m a CPA. They don’t realize that we have connected with others in the medical field who share our point of view; my pediatrician doesn’t vaccinate her own. They fail to grasp that our responsibility as parents is to ensure the livelihood of the one child (or several) we chose to bring into the world. Don’t worry about my child making your kids sick. If and when he catches the measles, he will be recovering at home where he belongs not at a playground. That’s just common sense and what EVERY sick person should do even when it’s just a cold.

    • holly says

      Cat if you say your four month old is too young you must not believe everything about pro vaccines you believe other wise your four month old would have had hep b at birth, and a multiple series of vaccines at 3 and 4 months as well not to mention all the ones that will be coming up for 6 months 12 months and 18 months. So why is your 4 month old too young if you think vaccines are so great ?

    • Sara says

      Me thinks Cat is a troll,

      I used to be 100% trusting of vaccines. But then I started reading and THINKING. Follow the money! Pharmaceutical companies do not care about us. Nor does the government. It is laughable how worked up you get over these childhood illnesses. I had measles and so did all my friends. We were fine! My brother had mumps! Eh gad! Do you want to hear the funny thing? His fertility was off the charts amazing when tested. Thing is, we had these as kids when you’re suppose to get them!

      There are more important things to worry about – like antibiotic
      resistant bacteria. Now that’s something
      To get worked up over.

        • says

          By definition, a “troll” is someone who comes to a place (blog, social media, other website) where they disagree and sticks around to harass people and leaves many many comments. That’s a troll. Simple disagreement is not.

    • Dawn says

      You have disease statistics, & that’s great for your argument. But what about the risks of vaccinating? My daughter suffered from encephalitis after receiving her MMR shot at 18 months, & had seizures within hours of leaving the pediatrician’s office. She was hospitalized and CAT scans showed she had brain swelling that had to have came from the shot. She had no illness I any kind. I’m so lucky she was able to recover from that. Many children don’t, and suffer permanent brain damage as a result. If I could go back and do it again, I would take the one in twenty million risk of measles any day. I’d actually rather her have contracted measles than had the MMR in hindsight. Her two younger siblings are not vaccinated. And that is MY choice to make for MY children.

    • says

      Just about everything I believe in has mainstream people saying it’s fake or quackery. I don’t really put any stock in that. Plenty of mainstream people say breastfeeding isn’t really that beneficial, or home birth is dangerous, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

      I’ve also noticed that anyone who speaks for vaccines is considered a wise expert (even if it’s, say, Amanda Peet, actress) and anyone who speaks against vaccines is considered a quack (even if it’s, say, Dr. Russell Blaylock, a neurologist with 20+ years of experience). We live in a world where an actress is considered a better source of accurate vaccine information than an experienced neurologist.

      No, I’m not worried that mainstream people call Neil Z. Miller a quack.

      • Cat says

        So you are unconcerned that the vast majority of educated people who work in his field consider him to be wrong. That doesn’t concern you event slightly?

        Nor that he has no background in research (his qualifications include a bachelor’s degree in psychology and “membership in MENSA.”)?

        • Sarah says

          If I saw 1,000 doctors and their patients walking off of a cliff, would I jump off of it? Heck no! Cat, what you are suggesting is that because a majority of people believe someone to be true, then it must be true. This is not the case, and has been so throughout history. We aren’t even allowed to see what the truth IS anymore.

    • kelli says

      The mainstream calls anything “quackery” that goes outside the drug paradigm like taking supplements. But that doesn’t mean anything. Plenty of valid therapies are bashed despite good evidence.
      The site sciencebasedmedicine is run by the quackbuster organization, which is known to be anti-natural medicine.

        • says

          Haha…you’ve sparked an idea for a blog post. I won’t tell you what it is, but I’ll give you a hint: red yeast rice and willowbark are better known as…?

          (Statin drugs and aspirin. Darn, I gave it away.)

  4. says

    Dear Militant Anti Vaccination Person,
    in your article you keep referring to the sane people as vaccine pushers, well your tone in this article makes you sound like a militant InSaNe person, along the same lines as the anti climate change people who seem to think they are smarter than scientists. Maybe I think this way because I was born with a life threatening birth defect and think people who do not vaccinate their children are bordering on child abuse! I I wish I was born not EVER going into a hospital, or getting a staph infection in my head and living through it, but having to repeat 1st grade because I had to stay in the hospital for 6 months and relearning how to walk. just hope you don’t kill your kids if they do get one of the PREVENTABLE diseases that you chose to let you child get because your militant anti vaccination stance. SMDH! I wish you knew how precious good health and KEEPING good health is!

    • says

      Hi Anna,

      Sorry to hear about your illness and health struggles.

      I would suggest that being healthy and getting vaccinated are not the same thing. Are we born deficient in vaccines? There are also benefits to getting some of these childhood illnesses, too. Mumps may prevent against ovarian cancer, for one: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2951028/. Childhood infectious diseases may protect against adult leukemia: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23575988.

      There are a bunch more studies along these lines, too. The science is not as conclusive as you think.

      • Sarah says

        I’d also like to add that my 6 month old daughter developed Transverse Myelitis from dTap. Swelling of her spinal cord which left her practically paralyzed. After a week in the icu, ongoing physical/occupational therapy, MRIs, spinal taps, orthopedic devices, a major medical financial burden (to name a few) at 15 months she still can’t walk and can hardly stand properly. It saddens me to no end that people in their pro vax arguments never ever acknowledge the plight of the vaccine damaged. Sometimes giving the simplest statement of “this was the result of a vaccine injury” to an inquiring stranger makes me feel good because now they have a tiny seed of knowing someone in real life who is vaccine injured…and that seed may grow.

  5. Lilie says

    Thank you!!! This was great!!! And love the other comments as well… Its a hard habit to break, feeling you have to stand up for yourself, but I have turned to this as well. Love it!!! Makes people’s true colors come out, that’s for sure.

    • says

      Hi Britty,

      Very easily. 48 states have religious exemptions, 22 have philosophical exemptions, and all 50 have medical exemptions. You simply fill out these forms.

  6. Joyce says

    BRILLIANT! I stand with you. I do not vaccinate and no one can make me. My kids are healthier than most and I am ridiculously well versed on vaccine science (or lack of). I could go toe to toe with any DR. but I find myself shying away from the battle or downplaying my knowledge just to avoid offending. Yet my friends and family post endless mainstream BULLSHIT articles calling me, and those like me, 1) ignorant 2) flat earthers 3) child killers 4) McCarthy Morons 5) disease spreaders and worse. I am SICK OF IT.

    Thank you for writing this!

    • Marilyn says

      Absolutely agree! I’ve found it’s easier to just not start the battle because I end up also not wanting to offend. And when family, friends, and/or strangers start with the name calling, just remember: “When the debate is over, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” – Socrates Thinking of this helps me to not bang my head against the wall in frustration :-)

  7. Sheneal says

    LOVE LOVE LOVE this! You took all the words right out of my mouth and the summed them up better than i ever could have! You got to the point. I most like your “do not say any of these” section. Thank you for taking the time to write this and share it!

    • says

      Very interesting, Jonathan. Although my point is still roughly the same — since there’s no vaccine officially developed and no one gets it, we, as a society behave as if there is not one, which affects our emotional response to catching the disease.

  8. says

    I’m going to bookmark this post and read it every time I read the stupid people in the media and comments. I need to remember this – “These people are bullies. They are not interested in facts.”

    Word!

  9. Laine says

    I. Love. You. I am so tired of the wars with people who don’t even read the facts I put out there, but nevertheless, try to argue against them. So very tired.. I think I may just link this article or copy and paste it next time.. or maybe just copy paste the headline ;). I recently unfriended someone I knew from a state I used to live in because they kept posting pro-vaccine propaganda.. why can’t the pushers just do the same for me if they don’t like my stance instead of harassing? Ugh..

  10. says

    seriously. thank you. omg…. thank you. i don’t go around telling people not to vaccinate their kids. stop f*cking tell me how to make decisions for mine. also, maybe, don’t believe everything you’re told by a trillion dollar industry? eh? maybe?

  11. Connie Angus says

    Thank you so much for this. I have been fighting for years to try and get people to understand and have actually gotten through to a few. Yeah me!!! I also have a vaccine injured son and the vaccine was forced on us when he was attacked by a dog at the age of two. At that time I was not nearly as educated on vaccines as I am now or I would have refused that vaccine, but not knowing the things I do now, plus being in the hospital with a child who was attacked by a dog and the paper work that went with that alone was bad enough. People just don’t get what it is like to raise a child with a vaccine injury or they just don’t care or deny the fact that the injury was caused by the vaccine. I hope that before I die that I can save a few more children from this nightmare.

  12. Charles says

    You’ll excuse my saying so, but the childish tone your statement “you can’t make me” exudes is really quite off-putting, and illustrative of the childish nature of your position.

    Here are a few reasons you should consider vaccinating, which are entirely selfish, and don’t involve you needing to have empathy of any kind for the society which is largely responsible for keeping you and your kids healthy via that 95% heard immunity.
    1) It is beneficial to you, and your children to vaccinate.
    Side-effects from vaccines, while not tremendously uncommon, are milder, and statistically rarer than life-threatening, or crippling side effects of the diseases prevented by them. If you need one specific example, please research Polio, and what happens to people who get it. Now look up the specific side effects reported from the vaccine, and the probabilities of that happening. Multiply by 100 or so to account for under-reporting biases. If you’re looking at it rationally, you’ll get your child immunised.
    2) Heard Immunity REALLY DOES depend on you.
    You note that 95% are immunised, so heard immunity isn’t threatened by you not vaccinating. In a vacuum, that’s true, but as more and more people choose not to immunise, that breaks down, and frankly those who are being rational about the situation are terrified of reaching that threshold. You’re right that we’re not there, but if people like you continue to choose not to immunise, we’ll get there, and then it’s not just your kids at risk (see #1) but all of us.
    You’re right, not everyone gets boosters regularly, and not everyone who gets the vaccine is immune. That’s why it’s so critical to maintain heard immunity, something you seem hell bent on washing your hands of. When that happens, your children will be some of the first to get these diseases, and given the severity and number of them out there… I need to be honest with you, your children will most likely DIE.
    3) You haven’t presented a single rational reason not to immunise.
    Vauge claims of “side effects from vaccines are more common than commonly known” is not a reason, it’s an excuse, especially when faced with the cold, hard truth that contracting Polio will either kill or permanently paralyse a large % of the people who contract it. It’s not as if the result of these diseases re-emerging is unknown, it’s just not present in your experience, largely, thanks to Vaccines.
    Unless you have some REALLY COMPELLING REASON not to vaccinate, that historical fact frankly, wins the argument.
    4) Not all diseases having vaccines does not mean vaccines are useless.
    Any number of common illnesses aren’t preventable by vaccine, but doesn’t it make sense to reduce the number of possible illnesses out there, especially ones which cause life threatening conditions, and CAN be prevented? This is the cautionary principle at it’s root, the same principle anti-vaxers use to justify NOT immunising, however, given the alternative of a larger list of life threatening diseases vs a shorter list, why wouldn’t you choose the shorter list? That doesn’t seem rational to me.

    • says

      Oh how fun! I love responding to these. It’s always amusing when people think I’ve never heard these things before…or that I don’t have, you know, actual FACTS to counter them.

      1) No, it is not beneficial to vaccinate. Have you checked http://www.vaers.gov for the actual rate of vaccine reactions? How about http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/index.html to learn the actual facts about each disease? Not the scary crap in the media, but real facts. Or, check this out: childhood mumps infection protects against ovarian cancer. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2951028/ Still think that vaccines show a clear benefit?

      2) Herd immunity is silly. It’s a theory that applies only to natural infection, not vaccination. Check out what Dr. Russell Blaylock has to say on the matter: http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/02/18/the-deadly-impossibility-of-herd-immunity-through-vaccination-by-dr-russell-blaylock/

      As for “…your children will be some of the first to get these diseases, and given the severity and number of them out there… I need to be honest with you, your children will most likely DIE.” All I can do is laugh. A lot. Are you serious? I refer you again to the CDC’s Pink Book to get actual FACTS about these diseases, including average death rates (I’ll give you a hint: they’re between 1 in 500 and 1 in 10,000). As it happens, my children HAVE had some of them already…and have pulled through just fine, didn’t even need to see a doctor. Just silly. Silly. Silly.

      3) You haven’t presented any rational reason TO immunize. I’ve put several links in this reply to you as well as having written many, many other posts on here with links to actual medical journals. You’re free to read any or all of them. Meanwhile, you’re expecting me to take your word for it. Okay then.

      I also refer you again to http://www.vaers.gov to look at the actual rate of side effects.

      4) Yeah, I never made that argument. You missed the point entirely. What I was saying is that we react to these illnesses differently (emotionally) based on whether or not there is a vaccine for them. If you didn’t catch that, I seriously question your critical thinking skills and reading comprehension.

      Do some more research. Come back with better sources and information, not propaganda. You can’t regurgitate stuff in the media and expect that people who have done actual research won’t be able to obliterate it instantly.

      I’d also like to point out that the point of this post wasn’t to provide researched, logical arguments, but to simply state, “You can’t bully me into this.” I stated that in the introduction. Did you miss that? Because your comment suggests that you did.

      • Chelsea says

        OK, that that settles it. I think I love you… Thank you. Your responses are the ones I wish I could pull out of my jumbled head when attacked by ignorant people for my choices. You’re my hero… I’m glad I found your blog and look forward to learning from you :-)

    • Kara says

      You should get tested for antibodies to all the diseases you claim herd immunity is essential to stop the spread of disease. The get the vaccines. Do your bit. And then keep up with the necessary boosters. Do the same with your family.

    • Sarah says

      Charles, why don’t you do a bit of critical-thinking and consider why the government has made it ILLEGAL to sue the manufacturers of vaccines. Why is this the case? Oh; it’s because so many children were being injured by vaccines that the manufacturers were going to stop making them. Why does the government have an official program set up to pay off the parents off vaccine-injured children? Oh; it’s because vaccines injure children every day. There’s even a government website that tells parents exactly how to file claims and what constitutes a vaccine injury.

      http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html

    • Sarah says

      Who is responsible when a “rare” vaccine injury strikes a family? The answer is NO ONE. Not the doctors prescribing the vaccines, not the nurses administering the vaccines, and most of all, NOT the manufacturers of these dangerous injections.

    • kathy says

      Charles….I am having difficulty believing you know what you are talking about when you spelt one of the key concept “herd immunity” as “heard immunity.”

      The idea that the authors children are likely to DIE from vaccine available diseases is ludicrous. Have you looked at the CDC Pink Book for typical prognosis for many diseases we vaccinate for? Hint: chicken pox, for example, carries an overall mortality rate of 1/ 40 000 and 1/100 000 in health school aged children. Have you considered how common or uncommon certain diseases would be without vaccines? Hint #2 – Tetanus, even when many more people lived on farms, only affected about 1/250 000.

  13. RJ says

    You took the exact words right out of my mouth. The pushers are the ones who will never get it. I mean, when you can tell me you’d rather have a child with autism from the vaccine than that child have the measles (measles, not complications or death, just the sickness!), a conversation with reason and logic is pretty much out of question.

    • Charles says

      I seem to recall the link between Autism and Vaccination being discussed using the word “Fraudulent” for several years by now.

      • Maiesha says

        I also recall that study being referenced as not a source used in making the decision. Again, let’s get a new argument instead of bringing up the stuff anti-vaxers don’t use as a source to make the decision in the first place. I didn’t make my decision based on Jenny McCarthy or a falsified study. I did my own research. I read books and articles. Some were written by doctors and former pediatricians. I have two kids. One was vaxed and one wasn’t. My vaxed son gets sicker than my non-vaxed son. Colds are more severe and last way longer in my son who is vaccinated. I’m not going to dive into other things I’ve noticed since I stopped vaccinated because I’m sure you’d come up with some ridiculous counter argument that I really don’t have the patience to read. I am REALLY waiting for someone to come up with something valid to counter not vaccinating. All I’ve seen is old studies that we all don’t based our decision on and name-calling. Oh, let’s not forget guilting, scare-tactics, finger wagging, and finger-pointing. So. Over. It. MY child, MY decision. Mind YOUR business. I don’t take my kids out when they are sick (cold or otherwise). Common sense goes a long way!

        • Charles says

          Maiesha: Frankly, I wasn’t talking to/about you, but about the commenter, who brought up the autism link. You might want to read the thread to see why you got off track there. (It’s not a long thread)

          Reading is also not a qualification for knowing factual information. There’s a lot of misinformation out there, and not reading should be the anomaly, so you get no brownie points for “doing reading”.

          Sorry to hear about your son, but, unless you can show a causal link, I would wager to say that it’s not the vaccines, but just differences between your two children. Even identical twins sometimes end up like that, with one significantly weaker than the other for inexplicable reasons.

          How about you discuss the statistics I quoted from the CDC about incidences of pneumonia and death in measles patients? Is the vaccine worse than that? If not, it’s rational to at least get that vaccine. That you won’t admit even that much tells me you’re not a rational actor.

          • Cat says

            Your sample size of two (your two children) does not make for particularly good science.

  14. Heatherly says

    For myself, it’s a simple question of ethics. I will not allow my child to be jabbed with a needle when he does not have a say in what kind of disease matter goes into his body. He can make that decision for himself when he is an adult. Treat others as THEY THEMSELVES would like to be treated. Peace.

  15. Ken Wehrheim says

    I want to start off with some positives… I’ve seen posts in the same vein as this one, and they aren’t usually so articulate. In fact, this is the first one I’ve ever read that is articulate. You give me hope that there is some intelligence on the AV side (but surely you look at some of your compatriots from time to time and hang your head at the blistering stupidity exhibited by the most visible, vocal portion of the group). These same posts also restrict the comments section so that anyone with something critical to say will get moderated and silenced, and only the “Yeah, me too!” and the “Preach it! This is why I don’t vaccinate!” comments are allowed to be seen. So, kudos to you for having the courage to stand behind your position and allow the criticisms to be voiced.

    Having said that, your viewpoint endangers children. Children have died, and more will continue to do. For now, you’re correct, we can’t make you vaccinate your kids. But that’s what people used to think about education. The day will come where it will not be up to you, and vaccine denial will count as neglectful child abuse. Information is a tool in the hands of those who are qualified to make use of it, but a dangerous weapon in the hands of those who aren’t. Guess which group makes up the AV movement?

    • says

      Hi Ken,

      There is risk whether you vaccinate or don’t. Children die from vaccines, too. So really, either choice endangers children. It’s a matter of which is really more dangerous (which I believe is a case-by-case basis). Therefore, we need to leave the choice up to the parents.

  16. says

    My kids are vax free and it took instincts to question them and 4 years research to find out they are medically exempt.
    As a result people think I should support vaccines because I can’t vax my kids. No, I do not want that responsibility on me if someone vaccinates their child to protect mine and their child becomes vaccine injured.
    I am responsible for the health of my children and others are responsible for the health of their children.

    I admit herd immunity is a funny thing. I have read that over 80% need to be vaccinated for it to work, seems the definition has changed to over 95%.

    We had a measles “outbreak” in the fall in Alberta. 42 infected, not a single hospitalization or severe side effect. The media went nuts and hospital set up vaccination stations. Told everyone it was poor vaccine rates and that rural Alberta needs higher vaccine rates.
    In 2008, we had an “outbreak” in our city. 8 people infected, all but 1 were vaccinated.

    I am tired of vaccine debates and being told I’m a terrible mom. I have 2 healthy kids, who have never had high fevers or been sick over a week and never required antibiotics.

    Thank you for this post. I won’t be bullied any longer.

  17. Caty says

    THANK YOU SO MUCH for this (and to my dear friend for sharing it with me). I’m ALWAYS being bullied, especially by our family members and they act like my youngest, now 5 months, is diseased because she’s not vaccinated! Our oldest is almost 4 and is “current” on her vaccines but we are no longer vaccinating her. I’m just SO tired of dealing with those people. I don’t care what they have to say because most of them come at me with NO knowledge about vaccines at all and this article is just simply put – they’re BULLIES! I’m so happy to have this as part of my research arsenal! 😉

  18. Calandria says

    Thank you for your logical, well-considered post. I am so tired of the completely illogical, rabid backlash against anyone who questions vaccinations or doesn’t vaccinate their children, and often wonder if the pharmaceutical companies are paying shills to denigrate anyone online who poses questions. I have yet to see any mainstream media journalists take on the vaccine issue in an intelligent way and research the facts. Every time anything is posted, a flock of people (again, are they really people, or are they just paid shills?) rush online to defend vaccinations and attack anyone who questions them. I am so tired of hearing things like “parents who don’t vaccinate should be shot” “you are making everyone sick” and “but … SCIENCE!”

    The more I read, the less inclined I am to vaccinate my children. They are happier and healthier for it – they hardly ever get sick and rarely miss school. It takes gumption to take a stand and I thank you for it. Now if everyone who feels the same way would get out there on social media and comment, send feedback, and ask questions, maybe we would get somewhere in this crazy world.

  19. Charles says

    Greetings,

    Since you’re not really open to reasoning with people, here’s an appeal of a different kind.

    Imagine this person is your unvaccinated child, because they are someone’s:
    http://www.slate.com/articles/life/family/2014/01/growing_up_unvaccinated_a_healthy_lifestyle_couldn_t_prevent_many_childhood.html

    We “pro-vaxers” aren’t out to get anyone, we just know the fact that there’s no conspiracy surrounding vaccines, which aren’t even a profitable treatment for the pharmaceutical industry.

  20. Kim says

    Thank you Kate. Keep up the good work. Vaccinations are an insult to the human immune system. They are not a part of my recipe for creating a strong immune system .They are pharmaceutical drugs with devastating consequences.

  21. Lisa says

    Thanks for this! I’m so tired of people whose “research” consists of mainstream media and doctors who can’t be bothered to do actual research and just say what they’re told by the companies who make the product. I said it somewhere about Monsanto and I’ll say it about vaccines, trusting what the manufacturers say about a product they are trying to sell is like trusting tobacco companies in the 50s. And it’s going to end up the same way eventually. Too bad thousands will be hurt and killed before then. Pharma is running scared right now, they know their product kills and maims and that more and more parents and doctors are asking questions they can’t answer. I think pretty soon now there will be no choice but to do the true vaxed/unvaxed study so many have been pushing for for decades. And the vaccine house of cards will come tumbling down.

  22. Dawn Barnsdale says

    I have been saying the same things for so long now!! Those of us who choose not to vaccinate are vilified, while we try to desperately make people just understand, not necessarily agree- and for our troubles we are called names, threatened etc. wonderful, amazing post.

  23. Natte says

    Feel free not to vaccinate but you damn well better keep your germ buckets out of public schools -_- you have no right to engage my kids. None

    • says

      Hi Natte,

      You do realize that there are lots of unvaccinated kids in public schools, right? You can’t possibly dictate the health or vaccination status of all the people you come across in a public location, including schools. Plus, the bigger risk to your children — and mine — is all those people who send their kids to school with fevers, who threw up the night before, who are hacking and coughing and sniffling all over the place. You know, the ones who are actually *sick.* Parents do it all the time because “well, they’ll be okay” or “I can’t miss work again.” These are the people who are placing others at risk. Not healthy unvaccinated people!

  24. says

    Also? The term “herd immunity” was coined decades ago in regards to ONE VACCINE and it was never intended to describe all vaccinations (it was also soon after discredited by the same scientists involved in said study). I don’t care what people choose to do, but I just wish that people bashing the non-vaxing community took the time to ACTUALLY RESEARCH our side instead of spouting off secondhand information gleaned from someone that likely heard it from yet another person unversed it the dangers of vaccines. I heavily researched both sides of the debate before making my decision. This doesn’t mean I listened to one friend that vaccinates tell me why she did, then listen to another that refrains tell me why she didn’t. I mean I READ LITERATURE BASED IN FACT WITH ANNOTATABLE RESOURCES. People research more when buying a new car or a fancy stroller than they do about whether to vaccinate their children. It’s disheartening.

    Whatever you choose to do, please properly research both sides of the debate before making a decision.

  25. Homeschoolmama3 says

    I applaud you writing this. Thank.You. I have 3 kiddos, my last being completely unvaxxed. It’s nearly impossible to find a doctor who will take her on as a patient. I can get my older kids to see a fam doc but most only accept patients who are over 7. My daughter is 18m and every ped I call says I can’t be a patient because I don’t vax. Really?!? Who is the bully now? You will let a child who is sick die because we can’t agree on an issue? Wow. I finally found a vax friendly one close to us an will stick with her. But the fact that an industry, which is supposedly pro-choice, is so admittedly anti-choice is disturbing to me. Again, thank you. You had the guts to write what I feel.

  26. Cameron says

    Hi there,
    I just wondered whether or not you could provide any information relating to this claim: “I make the decisions that are right for my child’? You seem to be conflating the ideas that, because no one else can in practice tell you how to bring up your kids, that the decisions you make for them are necessarily the best choices for them/

    Thanks,
    Cam

    • says

      Hi Cam,

      If I don’t make the decisions for my children, who does? Usually, this means that a government body or advisory board somewhere is making decisions that are basically a one-size-fits-all solution. Some sort of general guidelines.

      While the decisions that any individual parent makes for their children might not be “the best” all the time, I would venture to say that they are correct more often than not, and correct more than generic guidelines handed down from committees that don’t (can’t) take into account individual needs.

      And anyway, again, who decides what is “best?” A parent has specialized knowledge of their children. They may make decisions that people on the outside feel are wrong, but they know to be best. Who gets to judge whether a choice was really right or wrong?

      Since it has to be someone, I say parents. They are their children’s best advocates. They know them best, they love them most, and they should make the calls.

  27. Tammy says

    I am required by law to vaccinate my son fully, whether I want to or not, by the legal clauses in the paperwork I signed when I adopted him. That said, I would have vaccinated him anyway, against most diseases. There are a few vaccines that I would have liked to skip, because I believe the vaccine is worse than the illness itself (like varicella) – but I was not legally able to make this decision for him. My son did have a “minor” reaction to one of his vaccines; enough so that he is now on a delayed, one-vaccine-at-a-time schedule that our pediatrician both suggested and approved (and that fulfills my legal obligation under his adoption ppw).

    What I especially appreciate about this article, though, is the discussion of freedom of choice. A parent who understands both the benefits/risks of vaccine vs no vaccine should absolutely have that choice. We all want what is ultimately best and healthiest for our children. It’s natural that opinions will differ, but personal freedom with regard to vaccines is currently limited – and I firmly believe that this is unjust. I am becoming increasingly weary of watching people try to limit the personal freedom of others.

    I also, however, understand possible concerns of doctors/public health personnel about the health of people who are severely undereducated about vaccination and self care. As a public school teacher, I see parents who insist on blaming others for their own shortcomings. Suppose a parent requests no vaccine, the doctor complies with the parent, then the child gets extremely ill with whatever virus the vaccine was to prevent. The doctor gets blamed because “he/she should know better” and faces possible legal recourse – and will probably lose the battle, since the parent was undereducated. It is easier for many doctors to vaccinate and avoid this entire situation.

    • Polly says

      Did you know that doctors, nurses, big pHARMa, and the like can *not* be sued for vaccine injury? It’s true!

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/22/AR2011022206008.html

      Did you also know that, as a CONSUMER of vaccines, YOU pay 100% for any damages that occurs when they are given? Yep. As a CONSUMER of their products, YOU pay a $0.75 excise tax per vaccine (get a flu shot, pay $0.75 – get an MMR, pay $2.25) that then goes into a collective fund for the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program to be distributed to those who suffered an adverse reaction for 6mos or longer. In the meantime, big pHARMa pays absolutely ZERO, NADA, ZILCH for any of it.

      http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html

    • Prudence says

      First, I love that you’ve adopted. Hope we get to do that too!

      I think your assessment of the doctor’s plight is incorrect. Per the Vaccine Injury Act of 1986, drug companies *cannot* be sued for any vaccine reaction including death. This has to go through a separate fund. According to Dr. Keith Stafford (our baby’s doctor briefly when we lived in SC), the doctor also cannot be sued. However, he absolutely CAN be sued if he failed to recommend the vaccine and the child then came down with the illness.

      Hence the reason most doctors are forced to recommend vaccines. We live in a very litigious society.

      If I may ask, did you foster to adopt? It troubles me that someone would have to sign paperwork with agreements about medical decisions reaching to *after* the adoption was completed. Theoretically, what if a child had been in danger of a much more severe reaction, but the vaccines were required?

      To make you feel better, I know *no one* who doesn’t vaccinate who completely lacks an understanding about caring for their health and their children’s. I know many who believe the doctor is supposed to know all that. But of those I know who aren’t vaccinating, none have come to that decision lightly.

  28. Keri Maxwell says

    Well It’s never going to end is it. You can write a logical honest and accurate article and people still don’t seem to understand. This article is what I have said time and time again to people who just can’t grasp the concept of free thinking. I am not sure if they were raised that way or became that way, but what I do know is that there are many who just can’t let it go. They say we aren’t scientists but they themselves are? The majority of the people who do not vaccinate are very educated people. They aren’t stupid people. They are of the middle class if not higher and they do a lot of research before they make their decisions. They don’t or don’t anymore do it just because it’s what the doctors say to do. I do what I want to do when it come to my children. I can’t be trusted to do that? I can’t be trusted to tend to them properly if they contract the flu, chicken pox, measles etc….? What kind of a mother am I if I can’t do that? The fact is, is that everyone’s lifestyle is different sometimes it comes down to not having the time to care for your children properly when they or if they got these diseases and that is the real reason you vaccinate, so you can still go to work. Hey that is a valid reason it’s just not mine. Also you send your kids to school sick because they can’t stay home, because you have to go to work. Well at least yours are vaccinated so they won’t get sick. You turn it around on me, one who actually has to teach my children how to prevent disease, like washing hands, covering your mouth, and staying home when sick, just really being courteous and thoughtful of others, however I am the selfish one? We are two opposing forces people who push vaccines and people who say it’s your own choice. You have your agenda and I really have none. I just want to have a healthy family and if I have to vaccinate my kids so you can not live a healthy lifestyle and you don’t get sick, sorry not my responsibility.

    • says

      Hi Keri,

      Yes, that’s exactly why I wrote this, which some missed. They don’t care about logic and science, so here it is, flat-out: I don’t vaccinate and you can’t make me! lol

  29. Polly says

    BRAVO! BRAVO!!

    I know from first hand personal experience with my oldest child how dangerous vaccines can be. He was 18mos old when I was BULLIED into them and he suffered an adverse reaction that almost killed him. It was a very hard road to recovery, and it was not thanks to mainstream doctors he has gotten as far as he has. (Their solution? Drugs, drugs, and yet more drugs!! No thanks.) He’s 27yrs old now with ongoing vaccine-related health issues despite the fact he’s NEVER had another vaccine since that fateful day. We ended up with an extremely rare medical exemption for him (even then, I had to fight with the schools and new doctors over it) and a hard won settlement from the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.

    http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html

    My youngest is 11yrs old and 100% vaccine free. We have taken a philosophical exemption for him to attend school. He rarely misses school due to illness – prime example: he’s missed exactly ONE DAY this past school year and only ‘cuz he ran a slight fever on Sunday and I followed the “24-hour fever free” rule before I’d send him in. By comparison, he’s had several (ironically enough) vaccinated friends out for a week or more at a time this past year (as well as years past). My child is on ZERO medications. All his friends are on two or more. We see his pediatrician once a year (for school) and even he’s impressed with our son’s health.

    Outside of my personal experience tho’, I’d still question any corporation and their product that had blanket protection under the law from potential lawsuits via a U.S. Supreme Court ruling in October 2010. (see link below) I’d still question “why” the CONSUMER of their products is 100% responsible for paying out for the damages created by the corporation via an excise tax attached to that product (see National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program link above). If their product is so “safe”, as the corporations claim, why the need for these smoke and mirrors? Own up.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/22/AR2011022206008.html

  30. says

    Great article!! I. LOVE. IT. You made my day! My son is almost 6, 100% vaccine-free, 100% healthy, our paediatrician sees him only once a year for the mandatory well-check visits (and she never remembers him, she always asks “What is wrong with our little boy?” and my son replies “Nothing, the little boy is completely healthy!”); she respects my decision not to vaccinate, which is a great thing… but hey, in Germany vaccines are only recommended; there is also manipulation and mainstream fear mongering BUT no such horrible pressure and aggressive brainwashing like in the US… sorry for you, guys!
    All the best!

  31. Fannclan says

    I appreciate this article. I am a father of 8, 6 boys and 2 girls. My first two children were vaccinated per schedule, we stopped after the first two. A friend of mine had a child that reacted terribly to the MMR vaccine. After doing some research, it wasn’t hard to find many parents of children who had horrid reactions to MMR. Shortly after, my Father N Law got Guillain-Barré after a flu vaccine.

    Both cases, the medical professionals involved dismissed links to the vaccines they had just taken. To the patients however, the link was obvious. And this seems to be a common reaction by the medical profession to adverse vaccine reactions, even when the general population can make a common sense link to the vaccine they just took.

    After doing a lot of research, we found a lot of half truths and hype surrounding vaccines. And everyone wants to dismiss the idea that it is linked to Autism, nobody can argue, that something we are doing in modern times is causing Autism, it is not some mystery appearing disease that has no source. I personally believe vaccines, are at least partly to blame, along with chemical laden foods and formulas, pollution, over exposure to communism (had to take a shot), have all combined to create these new, previously unheard of diseases. Depending on where you get the research, as many as 1 in 88 children will be diagnosed with Autism in our modern era. 1970 you were looking at 1 in 250.

    The decision not to vaccinate my children, is a part of a broader campaign my wife and I are doing to keep our family healthy. Choosing to stay away from GMO’s, home growing vegetables and meats, and overall trying to remove the chemicals from our lives. We are not “green” extremists or earth worshipers, but rather turning back to God’s creation for our survival, and becoming less reliant on medications, vaccines, chemical laden food for our health. The more progress we make, the more healthy my family seems, and I will continue to remove these things from our lives as much as I can afford to.

    One thing that I have really learned over the years, officials lie. ALOT. I determine for myself what seems to be true, because I don’t believe that medical “professionals”, FDA, EPA, CDC, or any other politician truly has my best interest in mind. Sometimes the other story makes more sense given the circumstances, and I choose to believe them. Since we don’t live in 1984 quite yet, though we are close…. I’m still allowed to think that most officials lie to me about vaccines and their effectiveness. When you truly do the research on how these things are made, what is put in them, what their true effective rates are, what the true reactions and reaction rates are, you can decide that the risk of harming my children with vaccines outweighs the risk of protecting them from the disease they are supposedly protected from.

    And to tell me that I must vaccinate and place my children at risk to protect your children, is an extremely selfish, uneducated position, aside from the fact that I have no Moral obligation to protect your children. I am not heartless, and I would protect your children if I could, but I will not risk the livelihood of my children for yours, for what is ultimately an unproven science. I find vaccine liked to less disease the same as Al Gore inventing the internet. Sorry… not buying it.

  32. Ashleigh says

    Thank you! This is exactly the kind of sensible article you will never see from the other side. The more you read the more you see what side has done the mist thoughtful, thorough research.

  33. Lisa says

    To mummies and parents everywhere,
    All I have to say is ‘ditto’
    Both sides of the debate can lay claim to much of what you’ve said.
    There are major ‘bullies’ on both sides! And it makes me so sad.
    We all love our children the same, we all want the best for them and we a have the same right to do what we feel is best for them. Even when we don’t agree!
    I am a mummy to 5 beautiful kidletts.
    All fully vaccinated.
    My best friend of 20+ years who happened to post this link, has decided with her younger child not to vaccinate.
    I read what she posts, like I have here today. She is free to read what I post also.
    We both have a right to post articles on what we agree with (like we do on any other topic) and neither of us is a ‘bully’ for doing so, nor should we ever be called that.
    We are both educated, informed and loving mothers. With different opinions. We have discussed these differences many times.
    Why do so many on either side of the debate have to be so hateful. So sad.
    We are still ‘besties’ and always will be.
    Thanks for the article. :-)

  34. Jess says

    Your liberal use of bold to emphasize your points only makes it apparent that your argument is weak. People who don’t have faith in their own words are the ones who use bold, italics and caps to highlight points they feel strongest about. How about just relying on your own words?

    • says

      Have you ever read a blog before? That is typical blog style and you will find it in all my posts and most of my colleagues’ posts. It is so people who are skimming catch the most important points.

      …did you have an actual point to make, or are you just criticizing my writing style?

  35. Elizabeth says

    Kate,

    Thank you for your perspective on the vaccination issue, it is good to read/hear a different perspective on the subject. I am one of the parents who has chosen to vaccinate there child, while I respect your stance on this issue, I don’t agree with you. It is not for me to judge you though, and it is not for anyone else to judge you or make you feel guilty for the choice that you have made in regards to your children. Like I said I don’t agree with you, and I personally think that you should vaccinate your children, but that is your choice. No on should ever judge you on the choices that you make for your children. Please don’t take offense to this, or take this as I am judging you. I admire and respect you for sticking to your choice, even though I may not agree and others may not agree with you. Don’t let other people sway you, if you think this is best for your children. In conclusion, for those who feel the need to judge Kate and others that have made this choice, remember we live in a free country where we have the freedom and the right to choose, and make our own choices.

  36. Taximom5 says

    Brilliant! Thank you for nailing it.

    I’ll take it one step further. Nobody, NOBODY has the right to demand, mandate, or even encourage healthy individuals to undergo an invasive medical treatment to potentially protect others. Ethically, morally, it’s just WRONG.

  37. Aaron says

    “They are not interested in facts. They are not interested in logic. They are only interested in forcing people to accept their will.”

    I suppose the same goes for quarantine laws? If you want to know some logical reasons why people might object to you not vaccinating your children you might want to look into some basic epidemiology.

    If only your family could be teleported to a time when they weren’t being protected from disease by all the people who do vaccinate. Things were great prior to vaccinations. No one got sick and infant mortality was unheard of!

  38. Taximom5 says

    (WITH WORKING LINKS THIS TIME, SORRY ABOUT THE LAST ONE)

    Wonderful blogs like this one are, I think, our current hope for ending the vaccine bullying.

    I would like to suggest that we link this (and others, like Jessica Gianelloni’s Thanks, Pharma, You Created The “Anti-Vaccine Movement” and Living Whole’s “Why You Should Question The Vaccine” far and wide.

    Post them on FaceBook, Twitter, Reddit, Pinterest, etc.

    But let’s do even more.

    Let’s print them out.

    Let’s leave copies in the break room at work, in the pediatrician’s waiting room, at the beauty salon, at the library, at the music school, at martial arts, at church or synagogue. Attach them to public bulletin boards. Leave a copy on the bus or train, or at the library.

    Articles like these just might be able to penetrate the years of brain-washing.

  39. chan says

    I appreciate that you’ve made an informed choice for your children, and I respect your right to do so. I do harbor some concern for the effects of anti-vaxers who are making their choices based in fear and ignorance rather than research. If everyone read the studies and armed themselves with facts (and with information about what they can do if they or their children did contract something contagious and/or dangerous), I would applaud them as I do you. But I don’t think most people do that. Call it time famine or maybe just a desire to trust the authorities (whoever those authorities may be), but I don’t think very many who choose not to vaccinate are doing so because they read all the studies in all the medical journals and are deeply familiar with the stats on side effects, risks of complications, etc. I think most people listen to the media and fall into one camp or the other: “I vaccinate because my doctor says I should” is as terrible an argument as “I don’t vaccinate because Kate says the risks are too great.” I know you and I agree on this point, and I know that you’ve encouraged your readers and critics to read the studies for themselves and draw their own conclusions based on the facts presented. I’d even venture to guess that your readers are more inclined to follow those links and do their own research than is the general population. But when the fearful and ignorant masses outweigh the sane and informed niche (as they always do, in everything), you get cases like the one that’s currently sweeping Canadian news: parents brought their unvaccinated child to the Philippines, the child contracted measles, and now the child has exposed countless others while traveling home, going to school, and showing up at the hospital. It’s not a particularly unique story; it’s just the latest one. What’s alarming (to me, anyway) is that it keeps happening, and the media/general public keeps reacting. This particular set of parents is just the most recent representation of how many non-vaxers are making their choices ignorantly and dangerously.

    So where do we go from here? You can’t make people read (and understand) the studies, and we’re so used to getting our information in 140 characters or less that “VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM!” speaks a lot louder than a 4,000+-word essay on the very valid concerns about vaccines and the strategies for natural protection against, and treatments for, disease. I would wager that not vaccinating is more dangerous, on a broader scale, only because most non-vaxers are making their choices based on media sensationalism than on their own fact-based conclusions.

    I believe quite strongly that we always find the time and money for the things that are important to us (crises excepted). When so many non-vaxers prove again and again that the time they have to invest in not vaccinating safely isn’t important to them, how can we get to the point of keeping communicable diseases (and their rare, but very real, complications) at bay?

    • chan says

      I should clarify, too, that I think most people who DO vaccinate do so from a similar position of fear and ignorance. They’re not any more informed simply because they vaccinate! The difference, in this context, is that ignorant vaccinators affect themselves, whereas ignorant non-vaccinators affect themselves and many others.

    • sissie says

      I always have trouble with this kind of story..
      It truly makes no logical sense.
      If vaccines protect you from getting a disease then how in the world does a vaccinated person contract measles from an unvaccinated child with measles?
      Either vaccines work. or they don’t.
      Yes, I’ve heard all the lame excuses… maybe the vaccinated person’s immune system is compromised, he broke the chain in the herd immunity loop…blah blah blah more silly nonsense..

      So then the answer is what, vaccines work sometimes? occasionally? possibly? only under very specific circumstances?

      Most conscious reasonable people would keep their sick child at home, not for the benefit of the public who has been vaccinated and teeters on the slippery slope of “did the vaccines take? or they working? will i get sick anyway? but for the benefit of the child, so he can rest, relax and recover.

      i personally had measles and that child wouldn’t effect me one bit, because I truly have lifetime immunity, and it did not come from the end of a needle.

  40. Michelle says

    THANK YOU.
    This article is the rebuttal I wish I could say to everyone and anyone who has ever questioned my decision not to vaccinate my beautiful, healthy girls.

    My decision to not vaccinate my children was not one I made over night…I have been ‘delaying’ vaccinating them for almost 10 years, and still cannot justify in my mind jabbing them in the arm or leg with something that may or may not harm them and may or may not work in the first place. I have what I call my mommy instinct…and that instinct is saying HELL NO TO VACCINES.

    • Sarah says

      LOVE this article, and your response as well, Michelle. I’m the same way… it’s MOMMY INSTINCT. We in America have the freedom of choice! It doesn’t matter where our research comes from, yet we are dissed for not going along with the “herd” and believing in “science”. PLEASE. My kids are much healthier than 99% of my friends’ vaccinated, constantly sick, constantly on antibiotics children.

  41. Jamie says

    Well said! I really don’t care what other people do with their children. I am a HUGE health nut when it comes to my kid and I expect others to follow my rules when watching her, but I would NEVER tell another parent what to feed their kid unless asked.

    .

  42. Bart says

    You call the parents who are immunizing their children bullies…don’t you think acting in such away as this is bullying back? Trying to force your views of not immunizing onto those who wish to? I think you are just trying to get publicity, popularity, and are attempting to keep the debate going. I think no matter what you wish to do you can do so privately and only if asked give your opinion. Posts like this are nothing more than rants and raves. This wave of not immunizing can be viewed as just a radical, posh thing to do. The modern way to “stick it to the man.” There are publications in medical journals supporting both sides. So rather than spend your time writing posts like this, spend time with your children. Get off your smart phone, tablet, or PC and get down on the floor and play with your kids, that’s the best thing for them!

    • says

      Hi Bart,

      I think you misunderstood the piece. In fact, I think you didn’t even read most of it. I specifically stated in the introduction that my position on vaccination is that it is parental choice. I’m in no way trying to prevent those who wish to vaccinate from doing so. It wouldn’t be right of me to try to dictate another parent’s decision, anymore than it would be right of them to dictate mine.

      I strongly disagree that “this wave of not immunizing can be viewed as just a radical, posh thing to do.” I cannot believe any parent would make such an important medical decision because it’s “cool.” What new cloth diaper to buy, or what sippy cup to try? Sure. If it’s ‘wrong,’ then no harm done. But medical decisions? No. That you would even make this statement suggests that you don’t understand, or even care to understand, why parents would choose not to vaccinate.

      Finally, see this post about your comment on “get off your smart phone” http://www.modernalternativemama.com/blog/2014/03/20/dear-everyone-stop-judging-moms-on-their-phones/

    • Denise says

      I agree, I am tired of reading “in your face” type posts. Choose what you want, let others choose what they want, I agree, but no need to be shoving it in people’s face. In this case you are just doing the same as these “bullies”.

  43. Kathy says

    I respectfully disagree. There are a number of children in my daughter’s school with compromised immune systems. Some are undergoing chemo. It is a fact that they are in a healthier environment when around vaccinated children as opposed to opposite. Unless you keep you children home and never go anywhere public, your choice doesn’t just impact your children. So in this case of parental choice, I can’t agree.

    • says

      Hi Kathy,

      Thanks for your respectful approach.

      When children have compromised immune systems, it can be tough to know how to best protect them. The fact is, *any* disease passed to them (even the common cold) can be dangerous. Also, children who are vaccinated can come across the diseases we vaccinate for, and pass them on, even if they do not get sick themselves. Vaccination is no guarantee of safety for others.

      Plus, I invite you to consider that the much more dangerous situation is parents who send their children to school KNOWING they are sick. For example, your child throws up at night but is “okay” in the morning — and you send them. Or they have bad cold and cough — but you send them. Parents do it all the time so their children won’t miss instructional time, or so they won’t have to miss work. This is a much more serious and immediate threat.

      Vaccination is not a magical way to protect children. And it comes with very serious potential risks. I can’t support the use of forced vaccination.

      • says

        Did you read her comment? Because your response was a strawman. She brought up kids with cancer and immune-compromised kids. And while yes, sending your kid in half-sick is a problem, so is sending in your unvaccinated child who has a much greater likelihood of contracting and spreading a serious illness.
        Vaccination is not a “magical” way to protect children but it is the best option in this non-magical real world that we actually live in. The risks are negligible and far outweighed by the benefits. If you persist in spreading this nonsense, I hope you’re homeschooling and staying out of public spaces.

        • says

          “…while yes, sending your kid in half-sick is a problem, so is sending in your unvaccinated child who has a much greater likelihood of contracting and spreading a serious illness.”

          I don’t think you understand illness very well.

          The VAST majority of cases of illness are things that we don’t vaccinate for. Even if we didn’t vaccinate this would likely be true, because colds and other simple viruses are much more common. You can get hundreds of colds in your life time. One case of chicken pox or measles and you’re immune.

          Plus, at this time, cases of illnesses we vaccinate for are really quite few. 400 or so cases of measles? Kids who come in with strep throat are far, far, FAR more likely to get others sick. The fact that you think an unvaccinated child is more likely to happen across measles and go spread it around school than any child showing up with bronchitis suggests you don’t understand disease or probability.

          I absolutely will not keep my children out of public spaces. They are not disease vectors and have just as much right as anyone else to be out. I’d suggest you keep yourself at home since you’re not fit to interact with others, but…sadly you won’t.

          • says

            “The fact that you think an unvaccinated child is more likely to happen across measles and go spread it around school than any child showing up with bronchitis suggests you don’t understand disease or probability.”

            A measles vaccine vaccinates against measles. Not bronchitis. An unvaccinated child is absolutely more likely in probabilistic terms to contract and spread the measles. They are no more likely to spread bronchitis. I understand disease and probability quite well. You, sadly, do not seem to understand how to construct a logical argument.

          • says

            You clearly didn’t understand what I was saying.

            What are the chances of a child coming across a live measles infection? 1 in 10,000?

            What are the chances of a child coming across bronchitis? 1 in 100?

            Any child, regardless of vaccination status, is more likely to get bronchitis than measles. Bronchitis is a more common ailment than measles. Are you understanding me now?

            The point is, for children who have compromised immune systems, either illness could be dangerous. But we don’t much care about bronchitis and what damage it could do (and people even *knowingly* send their kids to school when they have it, which could be really dangerous to some) because we don’t vaccinate for it.

            Remember that just because you don’t understand what I’m saying doesn’t make my argument illogical. It does make your comprehension poor, though.

            I should also thank you for leaving that irrelevant and ridiculous review of my book on Amazon. Thanks to it, I now have a few new book purchases and have doubled the number of positive reviews!

          • says

            “Difference of degree but not of kind” also seems to present a problem, bafflingly. We vaccinate against diseases that kill and maim, to the best of our ability. We don’t vaccinate against “colds” because they are caused by a plethora of different strains of virus, and because they are not serious in a majority of cases.

          • says

            Do you realize that most of the diseases we vaccinate for are no more serious than colds? Or at least no more serious than other illnesses we don’t vaccinate for (roseola, bronchitis, etc.)? If you aren’t aware, I suggest you read up on WHO or CDC Pink Book instead of just listening to the media tell you (falsely) how deadly they are.

        • Peter says

          Renee said “And while yes, sending your kid in half-sick is a problem, so is sending in your unvaccinated child who has a much greater likelihood of contracting and spreading a serious illness.”

          Please show me any research that an unvaccinated child is more susceptible to contracting a disease than an unvaccinated child, and I’ll show you an equal amount of research showing the opposite is true. The deeper I dig, the more I find CDC and pharma paid for “studies” are unscientifically, if not fraudulently executed.

  44. Susan says

    Coming to this conversation late but thought I’d say this anyway. We’ve all heard about superbugs, about how the overuse of antibiotics has led to the evolution of infectious bacteria that are resistant to the antibiotics we have available. All very true.

    But my husband recently shared a thought with me about viruses. Antibiotics are ineffective against viruses. Vaccines are thus argued to be the best recourse to fight against viral diseases. Suppose we are now witnessing the development of viruses that are resistant to vaccine generated immunity? After all, in most of these outbreaks of measles, mumps, pertussis, the majority of those affected were actually already vaccinated against the disease.

    I think it’s an interesting idea anyway.

  45. Kevin says

    I am an unvaccinated supporter. My choice was based on hrs and hrs of research! And the medical history of both mine and my wife’s I am not going to base my decision on just what one person says! I feel that both sides can be pushy. We need to be advocates for our children! Because the most important thing that we are missing here, is what is best for our children and not worrying about what other people think about your choice to vaccinate or not. We need to stop wasting time arguing about this issue and start encouraging parents to educate themselves on the choices we make.

  46. Sophia says

    It is because of parents like you that these diseases are making a comeback, and will continue to. In ten years, it is scary to think of where the world will be with all of these preventable diseases circulating. I am not going to give any facts or evidence. It’s just the plain truth. The side effects of vaccines are there, yes, and it is scary. But when we are all walking around in a disease infested world again, which will be doubly worse because there are so many different cultures coming in and out of the U.S. now and other countries, the old saying “the benefit of vaccines outweighs the risks” comes to mind again. Yes, we all have a right to decide what’s best for our children, but you are putting us at risk and our future at risk. And yes, I read your article. You ARE putting us all at risk, I don’t care what you say about that because it is obvious. Your children will be the first to contract these diseases and good luck with that. I applaud you for making the choice to endanger your children and ours…and the old, the infants, the sick, the ones with immune system disorders…oh, but wait. It most likely won’t harm your children or them. That’s right, I am so misinformed and a bully, right? I’m a pusher because I am scared for our future. You are compromising our future!!!!

    • says

      Oh Sophia…I’m sorry, but your comment made me laugh.

      “I am not going to give any facts or evidence. It’s just the plain truth.”

      You simply cannot claim something is true just because you said so. That’s not how science works. There’s no evidence that what you say is true. I’m sorry you’re scared, honestly. That’s hard. But please don’t take your fear out on parents who are just trying to do the best for their children.

      • Justin says

        I am doing research at the moment on this topic but reading your reply is somewhat contradicting as your article/post has no references to other sources or even backup any facts you give but yet you say “You simply cannot claim something is true just because you said so. That’s not how science works” – u do this in your article/post. Then you say “There’s no evidence that what you say is true” another comment without sources/references and once again contradicting.
        Sounds like your doing the same as the opposite side which honestly I don’t mind since i want to hear both sides but if you had more sources in your article it would sound more credible then just an opinion without references – which to me sounds like a rant. More examples below:

        Quotes without sources or references:

        “as are many, many others, including several with medical degrees who think the way I do” – name the ones with medical degrees?

        “Let’s ignore that:
        Most of the adult population isn’t up to date on boosters and/or never received certain vaccines in the first place
        Over 95% of children ARE up to date on their vaccines
        We’ve had major advances in medical science that allow us to treat diseases differently so they’re NOT deadly anymore” – Sure sounds great sources and references please???

        “First, unvaccinated children are not disease carriers. Under normal circumstances, they’re as likely as anyone else to catch something. Most of what they’re likely to catch, we don’t vaccinate for anyway.” – another statement with no reference or sources

        “And I’m honestly not blaming most who think this — it goes back to the media. They’ve done a great job of scaring people into vaccinating, and against those who choose not to.” – really id like to see the sources and references on this one??

        I guess you see my point. This article is not credible in the least and is just your opinion without any references / sources. Thanks for the read but I leave with nothing and move to a more credible source for information. Maybe you can edit and add sources / references instead of just assuming everyone will believe you.

        • says

          Hi Justin,

          As stated at the beginning of the post (and several times in the comments), this post was never intended to be a research-based post. It’s a rant, plain and simple. I have many other posts on here that are research-based, if you are interested.

    • Tonya says

      Dearest Sophia,
      First of all let’s get it straight, diseases are not coming back because of parents like us! We have outbreaks due to waning immunity and ineffective vaccines. Vaccines do not guarantee immunity and no vaccine is 100% effective (or safe). If you read the vaccines inserts it tells you that for some vaccines a person can shed the virus or bacterium for up to 21 days following vaccination. So the pharmaceutical companies are responsible for outbreaks because their vaccines suck. Yes, in 10 years the world will be a scary place due to all the chronically ill and disabled children that will need resources and people to care for them. We have several epidemics today that may be linked to our expanding vaccination schedule like asthma, autoimmune diseases, seizure disorders, childhood cancer, chronic ear infections and others requiring copious amounts of antibiotics, learning disabilities, speech delays, sensory processing disorders, type 1 diabetes, ASD and the list goes on. We have traded childhood diseases that strengthen the immune system for chronic disease that requires lifetime medication and care. And it has been estimated that if autism rates continue to climb at the same rate they do today, 1 of 2 will be autistic by 2025. Now that’s scary!!! If you believe your vaccines are effective for preventing disease in yourself or your children then by all means go shoot yourselves up. My unvaccinated children and myself should be of no threat to you. My unvaccinated 4 year old is by far healthier than her peers… Rarely sick, fevers 3 times in her life, never an ear infection or anything requiring an antibiotic, well ahead of her peers developmentally. The future looks great for those of us who think critically and not allow some stranger( doctor) to claim they know what’s best for us. Good luck to those of you that try to fool Mother Nature and put poisons and disease into your bodies.

    • Valora says

      I think it’s so funny when I read comments like this! Children who aren’t vaccinated are putting children who HAVE been vaccinated at risk?!!?!? Wow! There is just NO logic to that argument! Because it shouldn’t matter … those who ARE vaccinated shouldn’t get the disease. Period. After all, that’s WHY they get vaccinated, right?!?! Sounds to me like deep down people know that vaccinations don’t necessarily work … and if they may not really work, then why put your child at risk getting it? Oh – and if they don’t work 100%, then how in the world did the vaccines get rid of the diseases in the first place. Oh yeah – they ignore the fact the diseases were rapidly declining BEFORE vaccines were widely used.

      • Phil says

        Because of mutation. Why do you think they panic and kill all birds with avian flu? It only affects birds.. For now! Until it’s allowed to amass that is. If all your unvaccinated children allow as hosts for the virus’ to live in then they are a threat to unvaccinated children as viruses mutate at a rapid rate and if allowed to survive in large numbers in your unvaccinated children’s club then the probability of mutation rises that will infect vaccinated children with a new strain that can’t be protected against – biomedical scientist. P.s. all you moms need to stop being keyboard doctors and thinking reading a few articles online makes you well educated

        • says

          This is so ridiculous. If you’re talking about bird flu mutating in people, and you think it will only happen in “unvaccinated people” then you are crazy. First of all, *everyone* is unvaccinated when it comes to bird flu…since a vaccine for that doesn’t exist! Second, anyone can get sick, whether they’ve been vaccinated or not. Wow. If you’re a biomedical scientist, then it’s no wonder I don’t trust much of what they say.

  47. Madison says

    Kate. You rock girl!
    I think this is a brilliant and refreshing post. You are so right! So many vaccine advocates (I would say 99% of those I have ever confronted) have next to no information, but think their opinion is “the one.” I am so on your page. I am sick and tired of arguing with people with no information who passionately defend their uneducated opinion so that they never have to face the fact that they may have made a bad choice for their child. I respect parents who make an informed decision to vaccinate, and I would enjoy a friendly debate with a pro-vaxer who actually did some research on the matter. But all I ever run into are these emotionally volatile assholes who think that repeating the same five points their equally uniformed pediatrician told them will somehow make their decision the right one.

  48. Holly says

    I let my daughter’s pediatrician bully me into vaccinating at her 2 month appointment. Thankfully, she didn’t have any side effects. I was a weak mom and let her receive several more shots. She’s about 30% vaccinated if you go by the CDC schedule. Thank God she’s okay, from what I’ve noticed. She’s now 4 years old and hasn’t had a vaccine in over 2 years. The funny thing is that she hasn’t been sick in almost 2 years. I’m not necessarily blaming vaccines, but unnecessary doctor visits. Luckily for us both, I found my courage to just say NO and sign an exemption.

    Thanks for this post!

  49. Amber says

    I don’t understand the accusations of the vaccinated and unvaccinated debate. Both sides have statistics and facts. People need to do research and make their own informed decision, you can say I am on both sides, my kids have the basic vaccinations, but I don’t run out every year to get stuff like the flu shot. In the end the decision is the parents and I think both sides bring risk to other peoples children. Vaccines are not 100% and some people react to them. It is scientifically proven that there is an epidemic every 300 years. People who have died in previous ones have been both vaccinated and unvaccinated. I don’t care your choice I just encourage it to be informed and you go with what you understand to be the best course of action. People need to stop with the bullying on both sides.

  50. Jayne says

    THANK YOU for this marvelous post. I am SO infuriated and sick of the pro vaccine bullying, I just can’t stand it. I agee with every one of your statements 100%, and I am grateful for you for being at the forefront of this very, very important issue. I feel like we are getting close to being lined up and persecuted as non-vaxxers, and I appreciate it when anyone comes forward in support as eloquently as you. Bravo!

  51. Jewels says

    I love the simple common sense approach to this article! I’ve spent hundreds of hours debating with thousands of hours of research. I’ve linked dozens upon dozens of credible scientific articles even government websites proving the risks to vaccinate are not ones I’m willing to take. And these foot soldiers that market for big pharma are deaf and blind. Glad to see a simple article like this! It makes me smile. And side note to the vaccine pushers McCarthy isn’t anti vax. Derp

  52. says

    This is the biggest bunch of crap I’ve ever read. People trying to prevent the spread of communicable diseases aren’t bullying you, they’re speaking the truth to ignorance. If you don’t like being called ignorant, read a science textbook. Not a blog. Not something written by someone like you. Crack open a medical journal. All of the information in the world is at your fingertips. If you’re choosing to be willfully ignorant, you deserve to be told directly and honestly: you are wrong, your ignorance is dangerous to the rest of us, and you’re selfishly freeloading on people who do take the risk and vaccinate.

    • says

      Well, gee, now that you cam here and said all that, I’m definitely going to change my mind.

      How condescending and downright rude of you to call me ignorant. In fact, I’ve read more medical journals than you probably ever will. I know very well the science that is out there. I know it’s not nearly as strongly in favor of vaccination as people (bullies) like you think it is. I suggest you stop believing what the media tells you in sound bites and start reading the actual science for yourself — but you won’t, because for some reason you think you’re already familiar. Hate to break it to you, but you’re not.

      I’d also suggest that you rethink your definition of bullying. When you go up to someone else because you are sure you are right and they are wrong, and you insult and demean them, that is bullying. Worse, when you feel you have a free pass to do so because you are “right,” that is narcissism.

      You are the one who deserves to be told, honestly and directly: you are a bully. And you will never change anyone’s mind with your condescending crap.

      • says

        “In fact, I’ve read more medical journals than you probably ever will.” – and yet, there is not a single citation on this page. Argue from facts, instead of just being loud.

        A bully is “a person who uses strength or power to harm or intimidate those who are weaker.” I’m assuming we’re about on par here, and I’m speaking to you as an equal and as a fellow mother. It’s not bullying to tell you that you are selfishly freeloading off of others. If you find the term “selfish freeloader” insulting, perhaps you should think about why it makes you defensive.

        • says

          You do realize, as stated at the top of this post, that is it not intended to be fact-based, right? I have dozens of other posts on this site that are well-cited; you’ve chosen not to read them.

          This post states: “I’m not going to throw facts and statistics at you, showing how reasonable my position actually is. (My position, by the way, is that every parent should have the right to choose if they want to vaccinate or not. If you want to, that’s fine.) I’m not going to try to mount an actual logical argument. Because these people are bullies. They are not interested in facts.”

          Go read my extensive researched posts, if you’re interested in facts (though I kind of doubt you are): http://www.modernalternativemama.com/vaccine-posts/

          It is absolutely bullying to call me names, tell me I shouldn’t have a choice in my children’s health care, etc.

          Gee…you can’t figure out why the term “selfish freeloader” would make someone defensive? Because it’s RUDE?? If I called you a fat buttface…why would you feel defensive? Are you, in fact, a “fat buttface?” Or could it be that I’m just being rude? Insults don’t have to be true to make someone feel angry….

  53. Belinda says

    Here are some CREDIBLE sources for those who wish to know why they SHOULD vaccinate. Reading angry, misinformed blogs based on emotion and not science does not constitute research.

    MMR Vaccine and Autism: Vaccine Nihilism and Postmodern Science –

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3257990/

    Vaccine Refusal, Mandatory Immunization, and the Risks of Vaccine-Preventable Diseases –

    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsa0806477#t=article

    The Age-Old Struggle Against the Antivaccinationists –

    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1010594

    Vaccines and autism:

    Immunizations and Autism: A Review of the Literature –

    http://cjns.metapress.com/content/nbmh1b9cg8a7dm9p/fulltext.pdf

    Vaccines and Autism: Evidence Does Not Support a Causal Association –

    http://www.miottawa.org/Health/OCHD/pdf/2007_Nature_DeStefano_Vaccines_and_Autism.pdf

    Immunization uptake in younger siblings of children with autism spectrum disorder –

    http://aut.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/09/23/1362361312459111.abstract

    Influenza vaccination:

    The Efficacy of Live Attenuated, Cold-Adapted, Trivalent, Intranasal Influenzavirus Vaccine in Children –

    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199805143382002

    Effectiveness of influenza vaccine for the prevention of asthma exacerbations –

    http://adc.bmj.com/content/89/8/734.full

    Efficacy of Inactivated Vaccine in Preventing Antigenically Drifted Influenza Type A and Well-Matched Type B –

    http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=380464

    Effectiveness and Cost-Benefit of Influenza Vaccination of Healthy Working AdultsA Randomized Controlled Trial –

    http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=193139

    The Japanese Experience with Vaccinating Schoolchildren against Influenza –

    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM200103223441204

    Pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine:

    Safety and Immunogenicity of a 13-valent Pneumococcal Conjugate Vaccine in Healthy Infants and Toddlers Given With Routine Pediatric Vaccinations in Canada –

    http://journals.lww.com/pidj/Abstract/2012/01000/Safety_and_Immunogenicity_of_a_13_valent.19.aspx

    Safety and Immunogenicity of Neonatal Pneumococcal Conjugate Vaccination in Papua New Guinean Children: A Randomised Controlled Trial –

    http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0056698

    Efficacy of 23-valent pneumococcal vaccine in preventing pneumonia and improving survival in nursing home residents: double blind, randomised and placebo controlled trial –

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2834887/

    Hepatitis vaccination:

    A 12-year cohort study on the efficacy of plasma-derived hepatitis B vaccine in rural newborns –

    http://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/6/381.asp

    Safety of neonatal hepatitis B vaccine administration –

    http://journals.lww.com/pidj/Abstract/2001/11000/Safety_of_neonatal_hepatitis_B_vaccine.9.aspx

    MMR vaccination:

    Using the combined vaccine for protection of children against measles, mumps and rubella –

    http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD004407/using-the-combined-vaccine-for-protection-of-children-against-measles-mumps-and-rubella

    Lack of Association Between Measles-Mumps-Rubella Vaccination and Autism in Children: A Case-Control Study –

    http://journals.lww.com/pidj/Abstract/2010/05000/Lack_of_Association_Between_Measles_Mumps_Rubella.3.aspx

    Autism and measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine: no epidemiological evidence for a causal association –

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673699012398

    Response to Measles-Mumps-Rubella Vaccine in Children with Autism Spectrum Disorders –

    http://iv.iiarjournals.org/content/27/3/377.short

    BMJ and NEJM also have large collections of research on measles epidemics correlating to vaccine refusal. Go to each journals and search. I don’t have time to do it for you right now.

    Tuberculosis:

    Tuberculosis in unvaccinated children, adolescents, and young adults: a city epidemic –

    http://www.bmj.com/content/286/6376/1471

    • says

      This is good to share, but please remember this particular post was *not meant* to be scientific evidence, nor convince anyone of anything. Its only purpose was to tell people who push their decision on others to stop doing it.

      Also, tuberculosis isn’t on the childhood schedule, so that’s a little irrelevant to this discussion.

  54. Jessica says

    I enjoyed your article. I try not get into vaccine arguments but fell into one recently. And the woman wants me to give her my “evidence” she wants studies and reports and they just arent out there. Because those who want you to get vaccinated are the ones who do the studies. and i dont want to argue. Most people tell me i’m endangering others and thats why they dont let it go. Its starting to bug me. I don’t ask someone why they do in their house with their children. They feel righteous and want to tell me how im harming my child and im wrong and what im doing is bad. Have any of them stopped to think that i feel the same way about what they are doing – i just dont say it to them. I don’t tell them feeding their child formula is compromising their thyroid and digestive and immune system. That not picking them up or responding to their toddler will make them less independent when they are older ( while i get told that my child will be spoiled ) its getting out of hand. I dont tell them what to do or say they are poisoning/harming their child why do they feel its okay to say that to me?

  55. B says

    Your entire argument hinges on your ability to read the evidence suggesting vaccines are not necessary or safe. You fail to cite any of that evidence so that your audience may become further educated. Weird!

  56. Joy says

    Thank you for all of this information. Just a side note…our immune system is capable of so much more then most believe IF we take care of our bodies. This includes eating REAL food (try the paleo diet), exercising daily, daily saunas, etc… To the vaccine pushers…look into basic biology. Our immune systems aren’t as pathetic and weak as you all try to make us believe. If you take the time to look at your environment (how can you improve it), what you eat every day that people call “food”, but is actually just chemicals, and do little to no exercise, well your poor immune system wouldn’t/doesn’t stand a chance when it encounters a microorganism it SHOULD be able to handle without any problems. If your immune system is busy ‘fighting’ the junk you consume on a daily basis because it sees the chemicals that are in your so-called food as foreign well…the immune system becomes compromised and can’t do its job of fighting pathogens. Clean up your health and your immune system WILL serve you well. And yes, I speak from experience.

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